8 out of 10 people found the following comment useful :- Dum-da-dum-DUMB!, 16 May 2008
Author:
budwebster from United States
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Quite likely the single worst episode of what is, as a general rule, a
clever and smart show. I say that as a dyed-in-the-wool CSI fan, never
having missed an episode since it was first announced.
I'm not just talking about the "death" of Warrick, although that was
silly enough. From the very first scene, this ep was badly shot,
written and directed.
The opening funeral was okay, and I was intrigued by the double-stuffed
coffin, but I simply could NOT see any justification on the part of the
writers for having the mourners attempt to block the way of the
forensics team to remove the bodies from the scene. They certainly
couldn't use the coffin that broke apart to bury their beloved coach,
and Nick's promise that the county would pay for a new one (which came
as a surprise to Grissom) should have been enough. BAD writing. Worse,
once the real focus of the episode comes in - Warrick's troubles - that
whole sub-plot is forgotten, never again mentioned except where it
directly impinges on the Geddas murder and the PI's body. There's no
mention of the mortuary owner's association with Geddas (and there had
to be one), nothing after his interrogation by Brass which ended with a
really silly joke. Would it have hurt them to throw in a line from Nick
indicating that the coach's body had been returned in a new casket?
Really? But that's not all. From the minute that Warrick's call came
through to Griss, the director must have decided he was doing a 1951
noir flick for the Brothers Warner, because the lighting turned into
something out of "Double Indemnity" or the night scenes from
"Casablanca." Ever been to a real crime scene where they're gathering
evidence? They bring IN lights if necessary so that the crime-scene
guys don't miss anything.
But even THAT'S not all. Warrick is on the scene, disoriented, bloody,
claiming that he had absolutely no memory of what happened - and NOBODY
TOOK BLOOD OR URINE SAMPLES. Come ON, folks. This isn't Pig's Bladder,
Arkansas, it's Lost Wages. That's the first thing they would have done
once they realized he might (assuming his guilt) be leading up to a
temporary insanity/incompetence defense. You think that's the first
time in LVPD history that a suspect claimed amnesia? More. Skip ahead,
never mind those gaping plot holes. They let in the breeze. They clear
Warrick and everybody goes out for breakfast. Listen to the
conversations, the other characters' reactions and their lines. My god,
they did everything they possibly could to foreshadow Warrick's "death"
except have him talk about the great new boat he was going to fish from
every day after he retired in two weeks. Even the MUSIC told us he was
going to die.
So he goes out to his car - alone. He gets in - alone. Every bit of
music, every camera angle, is telling you "wait for it...wait for
it..." and there's a tap on his window.
My freaking GOD. Has Warrick never watched a single movie or TV show in
his LIFE? Does he NOT understand that a) you don't go into a dark
basement, b) you never back into a room and then turn around, and c)
you NEVER NEVER NEVER roll down your window when somebody taps on it
after a night like he's had? The whole time they were in that diner
eating the Last Supper, I sat there telling Mary "He's gonna die. He's
gonna die. He's gonna die." Ten minutes before it happened, they were
telegraphing so hard that the only way to have made it more obvious
would have been to have a character in the background pointing to him
and mouthing "HE'S GONNA DIE!" to the viewers. They couldn't have been
more obvious if they'd done it with semaphore flags.
Of COURSE the mole was Undersheriff McKeen, the highest authority we've
seen in the series thus far, this is VEGAS. All during the ep, Greg is
talking about his book and what happened during the Good Old Days of
Vegas, Gedda was one of the last of the old-time mobsters and did
things the Vegas Way, and there was a private dick involved. Of COURSE
it was the Top Cop. That's the Vegas Way. That's the EASY way.
If this seem overly vehement, bear in mind that until now, CSI has
always been an intelligent show, one that highlighted science and
empirical examination rather than taking the easy way. I expect more of
the writers and the director, and this ep, for all its dramatic
potential, was a severe let-down.
2 out of 2 people found the following comment useful :- A decent end to a lacklustre season, 15 June 2008
Author:
kylie_1206 from United Kingdom
*** This comment may contain spoilers ***
Season 8 of CSI has to be, I must say, the worst they've produced. Too
many loose ends left hanging (hello, where did Sofia go/why did Sofia
go?), and the departure of Sara Sidle, seriously damaged the show. The
writing didn't seem to be as spot on as in recent seasons, and a lot of
the episodes were, to be frank, boring.
The latter half of the season was especially difficult to watch but, as
an avid viewer of all three CSIs, and a collector of everything CSI, I
had to hang in there. Whilst this finale didn't impress me like
previous ones, it was a decent enough ending.
The storyline with Warrick had been awkward, at best. If they're going
to put a lot of focus on any actor in the show, it should never have
been the weakest of the entire cast, like it was with Gary Dourdan.
He's decent, but not nearly good enough to have had so many 'Warrick
based' episodes this season. (Hey, where are the GREG episodes? He had
hardly any screen time this season, which is incredibly disappointing).
However, the very end of the episode made up somewhat for the majority
of poor scenes we'd had to stomach over the last few episodes. Despite
my (obvious) dislike of the Warrick character, I found myself close to
shedding a tear or two at his death. It was a well done part of the
episode, and a very big twist to have him killed in such a way, by the
under sheriff! Incredibly unexpected, and so, it made up for the
episodes before it somewhat.
It'll never rate in my top five, but it was nice to see some of the
previous quality the show is capable of, sneaking in to the finale.
Gary actually did a very good job in this episode, so it was a nice
exit (as nice as murder can be!) for his character.
2 out of 2 people found the following comment useful :- As In "FOR GEDDA"-Bout Warrick Brown Coming Back..., 24 May 2008
Author:
Christopher T. Chase (cchase@onebox.com) from Arlington, VA.
*** This comment may contain spoilers ***
Alright, so no, this was not CSI: PRIME'S finest hour. In this, the
episode that closes the door on the three-ep story arc involving
Brown's one-man crusade against Vegas mobster Lou Gedda (John
Capodice), the man who put the "PIG" in "Pigalle", the notorious Strip
strip-joint and tourist trap, the execution (pun intended) could've
been much better. Gone is the darker, grittier and more hallucinogenic
feel established by director William Friedkin, who (IMNSHO) should have
directed all three episodes, which should also have been handled by the
same writers, to preserve some sense of creative continuity.
And PLEASE don't tell me that anyone who watches the show on a regular
basis didn't see that ending coming from a mile off. If you know
ANYTHING about casting, you know what kind of characters that actor
Conor O'Farrell usually plays, (HELLO? Anybody watch a little show on
another network called "MEDIUM"???) So, yep, it should've come as no
big surprise that the Undersheriff turned out to be Gedda's
departmental mole.
And though the whole affair was lacking both stylistically and
creatively, things could've been a whole lot worse. Or does anyone pay
attention to the news anymore? Considering the real life troubles of
actor Gary Dourdan, it was a miracle that Anthony Zuiker and Company
were able to provide Warrick with some kind of a tragic but dignified
exit on such short notice. Yes, it lacked the finesse and irony we've
come to expect and hope for on this show, but it would've been cheaper
- and even more lazy - to just have Brown walk off into the night and
disappear, turning up as a quick postscript next season. "Well, ever
since that jogger found Warrick's body out in the desert..." "Wonder
how Brown is holding up these days in Seattle?..." That tired sort of
thing.
But there are at least two pluses here. First, I swear that if CSI
David Hodges (Wallace Langham) had turned out to be the mole, I
would've thrown my shoe at the TV and never watched this show again.
Yes, Conor O'Farrell was a pretty obvious choice, but you'd have to
know something about casting to have picked that up. Making Hodges the
rat would've just been inexcusable.
And second, at least somebody had the good taste to have one of my
favorite characters from another cop show, "Dutch" Wagenbach (Jay
Karnes) from THE SHIELD, working with IAD on Brown's case. I don't know
how they pulled that one off, but it's in perfect keeping with Dutch's
character on the other show, and I hope he continues on in the episodes
we know are coming involving the investigation of Warrick's death. At
least until THE SHIELD returns on FX.
Plus, this is a good time to shake off the cobwebs and stir things up a
bit more. This makes EIGHT, count 'em, EIGHT seasons for the flagship
of the CSI franchise. Things get shaken up in the cast roster a lot
less over here than on other procedural shows, (you heard me, Dick
Wolf), so maybe it's time to get the kinks out and use the opportunity
to start fresh next season.
2 out of 2 people found the following comment useful :- this episode, 19 May 2008
Author:
jim stephens from United States
*** This comment may contain spoilers ***
Responding to Bud W's comments (serious spoilers) I believe that I
would tend to agree with you if this were not a season ender. A lot of
the actors will be either leaving or preparing for exits soon, so this
stirs most of them up.
The one character most affected (to talk around the spoiler) may
reappear as writers can do anything from a long thread which explains
the scene was a hallucination that the character had ( he is in a
paranoid state of mind with the problems he is having, maybe this is
just a twist to launch into him being around and in the loony bin for a
while).
So don't write anyone off unless you read the actor exited. I have not
seen anything on that.
I agree with the comments totally though about evidence handling. This
is the "top" CSI show of the franchise so to be so sloppy simply does
not fit with this show or cast in a good way, in the manner it was done
in this show. I suspect editing, but you never know, maybe they were in
a rush because of the layoff from the strike and simply had to make
due.
I hope they get the show on track in the creative way they have been
doing it when it comes back next season.
4 out of 6 people found the following comment useful :- One of CSI's best episodes, 5 June 2008
Author:
gloede from Norway
...If not the best that is. Definitely top 50-100 TV episodes ever.
Everything is pretty much perfect here and it honestly feels more like
a film.
I'm really surprised by how it seems this show only gets better and
better, probably because they go closer into the characters and creates
(side) story lines to last through seasons.
So anyways I'm giving this episode 10/10!
...and I would like to say that I'm shocked by the negative comments
here.
P.S.
It's sad that the amount of episodes is decreased. And for the ending I
hope it actually has a derisive outcome to set a more melancholic and
darker mood for season 9.
9 out of 31 people found the following comment useful :- disappointed, 15 May 2008
Author:
cscpearson3459 from United States
I do and always will like the 2007 regular characters on the show but
it appears that this "cast" will not remain. I truly hope that that
isn't so. I believe that I will quit watching this program if that be
the case. The ability that the cast has to create a "positive" working
environment is what appeals to me about this particular CSI show. I was
drawn to the affair between Grissom and Sara. Always waiting for the
next show to see what happens to them at work and with their
friendships with the other cast members. I would really like it if the
show continues to maintain that type of "intrigue" and "camaraderie"
between each cast member. Naturally in order to maintain that, the
actors/actresses must be able to project that emotion in the show. The
ones that are there do that for me. Please keep the cast as it has been
for the last couple of seasons, thanks
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8 out of 10 people found the following comment useful :-
Dum-da-dum-DUMB!, 16 May 2008
Author: budwebster from United States
*** This comment may contain spoilers ***
Quite likely the single worst episode of what is, as a general rule, a clever and smart show. I say that as a dyed-in-the-wool CSI fan, never having missed an episode since it was first announced.
I'm not just talking about the "death" of Warrick, although that was silly enough. From the very first scene, this ep was badly shot, written and directed.
The opening funeral was okay, and I was intrigued by the double-stuffed coffin, but I simply could NOT see any justification on the part of the writers for having the mourners attempt to block the way of the forensics team to remove the bodies from the scene. They certainly couldn't use the coffin that broke apart to bury their beloved coach, and Nick's promise that the county would pay for a new one (which came as a surprise to Grissom) should have been enough. BAD writing. Worse, once the real focus of the episode comes in - Warrick's troubles - that whole sub-plot is forgotten, never again mentioned except where it directly impinges on the Geddas murder and the PI's body. There's no mention of the mortuary owner's association with Geddas (and there had to be one), nothing after his interrogation by Brass which ended with a really silly joke. Would it have hurt them to throw in a line from Nick indicating that the coach's body had been returned in a new casket? Really? But that's not all. From the minute that Warrick's call came through to Griss, the director must have decided he was doing a 1951 noir flick for the Brothers Warner, because the lighting turned into something out of "Double Indemnity" or the night scenes from "Casablanca." Ever been to a real crime scene where they're gathering evidence? They bring IN lights if necessary so that the crime-scene guys don't miss anything.
But even THAT'S not all. Warrick is on the scene, disoriented, bloody, claiming that he had absolutely no memory of what happened - and NOBODY TOOK BLOOD OR URINE SAMPLES. Come ON, folks. This isn't Pig's Bladder, Arkansas, it's Lost Wages. That's the first thing they would have done once they realized he might (assuming his guilt) be leading up to a temporary insanity/incompetence defense. You think that's the first time in LVPD history that a suspect claimed amnesia? More. Skip ahead, never mind those gaping plot holes. They let in the breeze. They clear Warrick and everybody goes out for breakfast. Listen to the conversations, the other characters' reactions and their lines. My god, they did everything they possibly could to foreshadow Warrick's "death" except have him talk about the great new boat he was going to fish from every day after he retired in two weeks. Even the MUSIC told us he was going to die.
So he goes out to his car - alone. He gets in - alone. Every bit of music, every camera angle, is telling you "wait for it...wait for it..." and there's a tap on his window.
My freaking GOD. Has Warrick never watched a single movie or TV show in his LIFE? Does he NOT understand that a) you don't go into a dark basement, b) you never back into a room and then turn around, and c) you NEVER NEVER NEVER roll down your window when somebody taps on it after a night like he's had? The whole time they were in that diner eating the Last Supper, I sat there telling Mary "He's gonna die. He's gonna die. He's gonna die." Ten minutes before it happened, they were telegraphing so hard that the only way to have made it more obvious would have been to have a character in the background pointing to him and mouthing "HE'S GONNA DIE!" to the viewers. They couldn't have been more obvious if they'd done it with semaphore flags.
Of COURSE the mole was Undersheriff McKeen, the highest authority we've seen in the series thus far, this is VEGAS. All during the ep, Greg is talking about his book and what happened during the Good Old Days of Vegas, Gedda was one of the last of the old-time mobsters and did things the Vegas Way, and there was a private dick involved. Of COURSE it was the Top Cop. That's the Vegas Way. That's the EASY way.
If this seem overly vehement, bear in mind that until now, CSI has always been an intelligent show, one that highlighted science and empirical examination rather than taking the easy way. I expect more of the writers and the director, and this ep, for all its dramatic potential, was a severe let-down.
2 out of 2 people found the following comment useful :-

A decent end to a lacklustre season, 15 June 2008
Author: kylie_1206 from United Kingdom
*** This comment may contain spoilers ***
Season 8 of CSI has to be, I must say, the worst they've produced. Too many loose ends left hanging (hello, where did Sofia go/why did Sofia go?), and the departure of Sara Sidle, seriously damaged the show. The writing didn't seem to be as spot on as in recent seasons, and a lot of the episodes were, to be frank, boring.
The latter half of the season was especially difficult to watch but, as an avid viewer of all three CSIs, and a collector of everything CSI, I had to hang in there. Whilst this finale didn't impress me like previous ones, it was a decent enough ending.
The storyline with Warrick had been awkward, at best. If they're going to put a lot of focus on any actor in the show, it should never have been the weakest of the entire cast, like it was with Gary Dourdan. He's decent, but not nearly good enough to have had so many 'Warrick based' episodes this season. (Hey, where are the GREG episodes? He had hardly any screen time this season, which is incredibly disappointing). However, the very end of the episode made up somewhat for the majority of poor scenes we'd had to stomach over the last few episodes. Despite my (obvious) dislike of the Warrick character, I found myself close to shedding a tear or two at his death. It was a well done part of the episode, and a very big twist to have him killed in such a way, by the under sheriff! Incredibly unexpected, and so, it made up for the episodes before it somewhat.
It'll never rate in my top five, but it was nice to see some of the previous quality the show is capable of, sneaking in to the finale. Gary actually did a very good job in this episode, so it was a nice exit (as nice as murder can be!) for his character.
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As In "FOR GEDDA"-Bout Warrick Brown Coming Back..., 24 May 2008
Author: Christopher T. Chase (cchase@onebox.com) from Arlington, VA.
*** This comment may contain spoilers ***
Alright, so no, this was not CSI: PRIME'S finest hour. In this, the episode that closes the door on the three-ep story arc involving Brown's one-man crusade against Vegas mobster Lou Gedda (John Capodice), the man who put the "PIG" in "Pigalle", the notorious Strip strip-joint and tourist trap, the execution (pun intended) could've been much better. Gone is the darker, grittier and more hallucinogenic feel established by director William Friedkin, who (IMNSHO) should have directed all three episodes, which should also have been handled by the same writers, to preserve some sense of creative continuity.
And PLEASE don't tell me that anyone who watches the show on a regular basis didn't see that ending coming from a mile off. If you know ANYTHING about casting, you know what kind of characters that actor Conor O'Farrell usually plays, (HELLO? Anybody watch a little show on another network called "MEDIUM"???) So, yep, it should've come as no big surprise that the Undersheriff turned out to be Gedda's departmental mole.
And though the whole affair was lacking both stylistically and creatively, things could've been a whole lot worse. Or does anyone pay attention to the news anymore? Considering the real life troubles of actor Gary Dourdan, it was a miracle that Anthony Zuiker and Company were able to provide Warrick with some kind of a tragic but dignified exit on such short notice. Yes, it lacked the finesse and irony we've come to expect and hope for on this show, but it would've been cheaper - and even more lazy - to just have Brown walk off into the night and disappear, turning up as a quick postscript next season. "Well, ever since that jogger found Warrick's body out in the desert..." "Wonder how Brown is holding up these days in Seattle?..." That tired sort of thing.
But there are at least two pluses here. First, I swear that if CSI David Hodges (Wallace Langham) had turned out to be the mole, I would've thrown my shoe at the TV and never watched this show again. Yes, Conor O'Farrell was a pretty obvious choice, but you'd have to know something about casting to have picked that up. Making Hodges the rat would've just been inexcusable.
And second, at least somebody had the good taste to have one of my favorite characters from another cop show, "Dutch" Wagenbach (Jay Karnes) from THE SHIELD, working with IAD on Brown's case. I don't know how they pulled that one off, but it's in perfect keeping with Dutch's character on the other show, and I hope he continues on in the episodes we know are coming involving the investigation of Warrick's death. At least until THE SHIELD returns on FX.
Plus, this is a good time to shake off the cobwebs and stir things up a bit more. This makes EIGHT, count 'em, EIGHT seasons for the flagship of the CSI franchise. Things get shaken up in the cast roster a lot less over here than on other procedural shows, (you heard me, Dick Wolf), so maybe it's time to get the kinks out and use the opportunity to start fresh next season.
2 out of 2 people found the following comment useful :-

this episode, 19 May 2008
Author: jim stephens from United States
*** This comment may contain spoilers ***
Responding to Bud W's comments (serious spoilers) I believe that I would tend to agree with you if this were not a season ender. A lot of the actors will be either leaving or preparing for exits soon, so this stirs most of them up.
The one character most affected (to talk around the spoiler) may reappear as writers can do anything from a long thread which explains the scene was a hallucination that the character had ( he is in a paranoid state of mind with the problems he is having, maybe this is just a twist to launch into him being around and in the loony bin for a while).
So don't write anyone off unless you read the actor exited. I have not seen anything on that.
I agree with the comments totally though about evidence handling. This is the "top" CSI show of the franchise so to be so sloppy simply does not fit with this show or cast in a good way, in the manner it was done in this show. I suspect editing, but you never know, maybe they were in a rush because of the layoff from the strike and simply had to make due.
I hope they get the show on track in the creative way they have been doing it when it comes back next season.
4 out of 6 people found the following comment useful :-

One of CSI's best episodes, 5 June 2008
Author: gloede from Norway
...If not the best that is. Definitely top 50-100 TV episodes ever. Everything is pretty much perfect here and it honestly feels more like a film.
I'm really surprised by how it seems this show only gets better and better, probably because they go closer into the characters and creates (side) story lines to last through seasons.
So anyways I'm giving this episode 10/10!
...and I would like to say that I'm shocked by the negative comments here.
P.S.
It's sad that the amount of episodes is decreased. And for the ending I hope it actually has a derisive outcome to set a more melancholic and darker mood for season 9.
9 out of 31 people found the following comment useful :-

disappointed, 15 May 2008
Author: cscpearson3459 from United States
I do and always will like the 2007 regular characters on the show but it appears that this "cast" will not remain. I truly hope that that isn't so. I believe that I will quit watching this program if that be the case. The ability that the cast has to create a "positive" working environment is what appeals to me about this particular CSI show. I was drawn to the affair between Grissom and Sara. Always waiting for the next show to see what happens to them at work and with their friendships with the other cast members. I would really like it if the show continues to maintain that type of "intrigue" and "camaraderie" between each cast member. Naturally in order to maintain that, the actors/actresses must be able to project that emotion in the show. The ones that are there do that for me. Please keep the cast as it has been for the last couple of seasons, thanks
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