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Comedians... Class Comedy and Class Drama
geoffparfitt6 July 2006
Evening. A classroom. Six adult students... there to learn about comedy. The teacher is an experienced comedian... determined to promote comedy as a progressive art form in which real feelings and ideas about life are shared and explored... and equally determined to condemn the abuse of comedy as cheap entertainment based on slick technique, stereotyped characters, contrived wordplay, and prejudice.

That teacher is Eddie Waters, in the Manchester of 1975. It is the play "Comedians", written for the stage by Trevor Griffiths, but also produced in a version by Richard Eyre for BBC television in 1979. I have seen the play on stage, and have read the script, and would recommend others to do the same, as the cuts made for TV - probably for time - includes dialogue which I think is crucial to a full understanding of the piece.

It is a serious play, not completely authentic, but truthful about what it says about the choices that comedians are faced with, and illuminating for anyone interested in comedy. I've probably watched it more than a dozen times, and I still finding it absolutely compelling. I can do no better than leave my own words here, and devote the rest of this comment to Eddie Waters' address to his students, imploring them to take the right choice for their future as comedians. I only wish all comedians were listening.

"...If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times. We work through laughter, not for it. If all you're about is raising a laugh, OK, get on with it, good luck to you, but don't waste my time. There's plenty of others as'll tek your money and do the necessary. Not Eddie Waters..."

"...It's not the jokes. It's not the jokes. It's what lies behind them. It's the attitude... A real comedian - that's a daring man. He dares to see what his listeners shy away from, fear to express. And what he sees is a sort of truth about people, about their situation, about what hurts or terrifies them, about what's hard, above all about what they want."

"A joke releases the tension, says the unsayable, any joke pretty well. But a true joke, a comedian's joke, has to do more than release tension. It has to liberate the will and the desire. It has to change the situation..."

"There's very little won't take a joke. But when a joke bases itself upon a distortion - a stereotype perhaps - and gives the lie to the truth so as to win a laugh and stay in favour, we've moved away from a comic art and into the world of cheap entertainment and slick success... You're better than that, damn you. And even if you're not, you should bloody well want to be..."

"...A joke that that feeds on ignorance starves it's audience. We have the choice. We can say something or we can say nothing. Most comics feed prejudice and fear and blinkered vision, but the best ones, the best ones... illuminate them, make them clearer to see, easier to deal with. We've got to make people laugh till they cry. Cry. Till they find their pain and their beauty."

"Comedy is medicine. Not coloured sweeties to rot their teeth with."
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8/10
good play but
marktayloruk9 June 2020
Warning: Spoilers
If I ever staged it, I'd let the audience vote on which act they preferred. Was Waters based on a real person?He reminded me of the alternative to comedy that began in the 1980s.And has there ever been a real act like Gethin's? My favourite comedian was Bernard Manning When it comes to humour - anything goes.Acceptable then is acceptable now.
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10/10
Outstanding - the old and the new....
chebslad-123 October 2005
Fraser and Pryce, the baton is passed to a new generation. Umcompromising and unforgettable. 25 years after this was transmitted it still sticks in the mind.

Watch it as soon as possible. Perhaps a TV company should play this on a digital channel for a wider audience. As one of a host of brilliant dramas to come from UK television Play For Today series it makes much modern drama seem very superficial and shoddy.

I only regret not having seen all of these shows at the time. Whenever they appear on the schedule it is worthwhile making time to watch the early and often best output of these Brit TV/film makers/actors in their early years.

Saw this in black and white the first time... wonderful at bringing to life the atmosphere of 60's/early 70's. Man on the moon, music hall gone and comedy changing to something more in touch, or was it?
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Film could have been better because i feel that they got the casting completely wrong
jo_massie6 December 2004
To be honest i wasn't impressed with this version of Trevor Griffiths' "Comedians". Having read the play first and then watching the film i had already formed opinions and views on the plot and feel there were little problems with how this was approached; however i was a little disappointed that they didn't show the entire comedic acts in Act 2, it didn't allow you to get the complete feel for how they should be and how the comedians are feeling. The main problem i thought with this version though was the casting. I think that they got Waters and Challenor the wrong way round and that Waters shouldn't have been portrayed as being so posh. I watched the film along with the rest of my a-level English literature class and the opinions about the film were unanimous. Overall, i feel it could have been a very good version of the play and done very well but just with a few minor amendments.
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2/10
Epitomises the reactionary view of Play for Today
nigel-188543 October 2019
Michael Gove described the Play for Today catalogue as '...exercises in viewer patronisation,' it seems he doesn't let his status as an ex minister for education hinder his propensity for inventive grammar. Although I would say he's probably on the money for about half of the scripts aired as a Play for Today, the rest can be divided half and half between middling and reasonably good. So about 1 in 5 scripts are reasonably watchable. Comedians though is firmly ensconced behind Gove's 'patronisation' barricade.

You're only gonna get anything out of Comedians for one of two reasons: 1 the script massages your own political prejudice. 2 your interested in examining an extreme example of political prejudice being indulged. Essentially the premise behind the rationale being promoted by this script is exactly the same one that's been foisted upon the masses since they started prancing around in masks in Athenian amphitheatres. That being, that all this story telling malarkey, entertainment for the common man and his misses etcetera, is dangerous and must be controlled. Except that with Comedians, we're left to infer a motive for control as we're fed a succession of exclamations of woe at the pitiful state of the comedic art.

Oh those poor working classes, if only they'd stop taking the piss out of each other.

Yep this is patronising all right, paternalistic too but you discover, it is curiously consistent in the way -the message- is conveyed. I then realised that it's consistent because it is inspired directly by Marxist ideology, which I can tell you has been mulled and hammered out, over many decades. In the Marxist church, personal expression must be controlled, in the same way that Marxism's predecessor controlled it through moral prescription. So in the old days, you were prevented by expressing your desire to shag the squire's daughter because it was immoral whereas today it's politically incorrect. Did you see that, not immoral, just incorrect. Who decides what's immoral, God? I dunno maybe, but I suspect it's more a question of norms derived through a social consensus. Who decides what's incorrect? Why professor Marx of course and his and his army of capriote adorned drones.

And so the script progresses and we come to the point where it has to say something positive, if having fun is evil what are we supposed to laugh at instead? Well the answer turns out to be nothing, instead you're supposed to be agonising over the fate of the proletariat and the injustice of it all. Right up to the point the revolution happens at which point instead of rejoicing, you commence bemoaning the legacy of past injustice.

It's not too much of a surprise when, as the drama comes to a close, it all ends up in Lower Silesia. Because somehow, the thought of an agonising death in the gas chamber for so many innocent people, is ironic. Yeah well -- the only thing I have to say about that is -- tenuous!

So whodathought that Michael Gove and I would agree on anything?
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